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SqUiGgLeS wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m going to have to look lamotrigine; i’m glad you found >something good. >I am convinced that people drink because they are suffering >from some kind of emotional illness.  Nobody wants to >enter oblivion if they are not feeling some kind of pain. >I think it is waaaayy underrated and underdiagnosed by >doctors as a sign (ding ding ding ding) that there is >something wrong in the person’s inner life.  It’s just such >a bummer when the whole life is taken up by it, and no >intervention has taken place to correct it. >But you know, better late than never.   >Squiggles >p.s. why on earth would you take an SSRI for your case, sheesh. >btw lithium does have its problems, but after 20+ yrs of taking >it with a very good mental state, i can’t complain;

hi, well the reason for the SSRI was that nobody including me had even thought about the possibility of BP, i presented with standard depression / anxiety symptoms, i hadnt noticed the cycles between anxiety and depressed phases, and hadnt really thought about my temperament in the past as i wasnt an expert, at that stage i thought manic depression was only the very graphic BP I and it didnt cross my mind.. nor my pdocs… i guess i was one of those people who wasnt screened properly, its only since i was diagnosed cyclothymic (my first DX, i now say i’m BP II) that i was able to look back and think, ah, this is what i was like all along.. by then i’d been taking an SSRI for two years…. ! i definately was drinking because of the depression…. and when i wasnt drinking i was hiding away into my work.. working long hours in the studio and coming home and drinking… but i wonder if its a coincidence that the BP became stronger once i’d given up the drink? i think getting through anxiety was a factor too, i think the anxiety was covering a lot of the BP symtoms… lamotrigine is interesting, i’ve heard from a few here that its very effective…. im yet to find out as its too early to say, but im feeling some benefit at a low dose… bw m~ — dogs believe they are human ~ cats believe they are God

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>SqUiGgLeS wrote >I am convinced that people drink because they are suffering >from some kind of emotional illness.  Nobody wants to >enter oblivion if they are not feeling some kind of pain.

i don’t know why other people drink, you are probably correct, but i was an exception to SqUiGgLeS Syndrome, i would get hypomanic and want to take or drink something to make the joy go up and up and HOWL AT THE MOON!!!!! feels pretty good…to bad i got in so much trouble… i hope you study this further and share your findings with the world…

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((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((m)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ) ))))))) no sorry, you descibe perfectly what I feel about my anorexia.. yes, trying to prove ‘was worth something. i triendwith schoolwork etc. etc, i did whatever i couldto be perfect (to hide the fear of being nothing), but anorexia was somehow the only thing giving somehow satisfaction, like i was really achieving something (although I always saw fat everywhere, no matter howskinny i was) I think that the same feeling-worthless-stuff is also behind my depressions. And behind my ups, because I’m always unde pressure tobe "prefect", and this pressure brings me "up" m, i hope you’ll ecoversoon from your therapy-session, when it’sabout this kind of stuff, it can bring back lots of heavy emotions, is my experience.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > yes, it has many complicated reasons behind it > for me it was also one of the many things i do to eradicate the crapness > that i believe is at the centre of my being, it was like all the > workworkwork i do to try and prove myself worthwhile, i was always > pointed out by my mother and by school peers as a fat little kid (and > actually i wasnt even chubby if i look at my pictures, i just had a > critical mother!.. who is *still* critical of my appearance and > everything i do)… so i thought i could make myself better and more > likeable by being skinny… and the more i did it, the better i > became… only i felt worse and worse because i could see more fat on my > body that needed getting rid of…. and eventually im trying to get rid > of everything that is me because i hate me…. > err whoops sorry, stream of consciousness there, im feeling a bit low > cos this is partly what i was talking to therapist about this afternoon…. > hugz > m~ >yes, anorexia is about control for me to >but also about doing at least 1 thing (loosing weight) i was sure i did >well..somehow it made me proud to loose weight, more then everyone else. >all the other things i did, i was never sure off, i was never proud off. >This wassomething i completely did myself, and no-one, no-one could control >me in this area, whatever everyone tried, i went on.. >>"ME" wrote >>>the way I see it myself is a bit different: >>>anorexia kills emotions i.m.o., so when this period was over, I"started >>>dealing with these emotions in another way: getting up and down with my >>>moods.. >>Hey I was anorectic too… hmm… seems many of us have had that kind of >>dissorder… >>And yeah, to me the anorexia was all focused on CONTROL. In a world thta >>completely lacked predictability I could atleast take control of my body. >>And disappear. >>Sorta. >>Warm hugs, >>TK > — > dogs believe they are human ~ cats believe they are God

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yes, it has many complicated reasons behind it for me it was also one of the many things i do to eradicate the crapness that i believe is at the centre of my being, it was like all the workworkwork i do to try and prove myself worthwhile, i was always pointed out by my mother and by school peers as a fat little kid (and actually i wasnt even chubby if i look at my pictures, i just had a critical mother!.. who is *still* critical of my appearance and everything i do)… so i thought i could make myself better and more likeable by being skinny… and the more i did it, the better i became… only i felt worse and worse because i could see more fat on my body that needed getting rid of…. and eventually im trying to get rid of everything that is me because i hate me…. err whoops sorry, stream of consciousness there, im feeling a bit low cos this is partly what i was talking to therapist about this afternoon…. hugz m~ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >yes, anorexia is about control for me to >but also about doing at least 1 thing (loosing weight) i was sure i did >well..somehow it made me proud to loose weight, more then everyone else. >all the other things i did, i was never sure off, i was never proud off. >This wassomething i completely did myself, and no-one, no-one could control >me in this area, whatever everyone tried, i went on.. >"ME" wrote >>the way I see it myself is a bit different: >>anorexia kills emotions i.m.o., so when this period was over, I"started >>dealing with these emotions in another way: getting up and down with my >>moods.. >Hey I was anorectic too… hmm… seems many of us have had that kind of >dissorder… >And yeah, to me the anorexia was all focused on CONTROL. In a world thta >completely lacked predictability I could atleast take control of my body. >And disappear. >Sorta. >Warm hugs, >TK

– dogs believe they are human ~ cats believe they are God

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yes, it has many complicated reasons behind it for me it was also one of the many things i do to eradicate the crapness that i believe is at the centre of my being, it was like all the workworkwork i do to try and prove myself worthwhile, i was always pointed out by my mother and by school peers as a fat little kid (and actually i wasnt even chubby if i look at my pictures, i just had a critical mother!.. who is *still* critical of my appearance and everything i do)… so i thought i could make myself better and more likeable by being skinny… and the more i did it, the better i became… only i felt worse and worse because i could see more fat on my body that needed getting rid of…. and eventually im trying to get rid of everything that is me because i hate me…. err whoops sorry, stream of consciousness there, im feeling a bit low cos this is partly what i was talking to therapist about this afternoon…. hugz m~ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >yes, anorexia is about control for me to >but also about doing at least 1 thing (loosing weight) i was sure i did >well..somehow it made me proud to loose weight, more then everyone else. >all the other things i did, i was never sure off, i was never proud off. >This wassomething i completely did myself, and no-one, no-one could control >me in this area, whatever everyone tried, i went on.. >"ME" wrote >>the way I see it myself is a bit different: >>anorexia kills emotions i.m.o., so when this period was over, I"started >>dealing with these emotions in another way: getting up and down with my >>moods.. >Hey I was anorectic too… hmm… seems many of us have had that kind of >dissorder… >And yeah, to me the anorexia was all focused on CONTROL. In a world thta >completely lacked predictability I could atleast take control of my body. >And disappear. >Sorta. >Warm hugs, >TK

– dogs believe they are human ~ cats believe they are God

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hi squiggles thats really interesting that we have such common experiences… yes i think certain circumstances of my life definately lead to depression… but there has got to be something in my family background i guess… i know i had cyclothymia all my life… and nobody in my family admits to BP but on my fathers side there were a lot of violent alcoholic men who might be hiding their BP under the alcohol… i was reminded in discussion last night that i also had an addiction i came out of just before i was diagnosed as BP…. i was drinking constantly – not heavily, but enough to numb myself out – for a whole year, and it took me several tries to come off the drink…. that was the year before i was diagnosed…. it might well have been a factor…. coming back into the ‘real world’ was quite strange…. yes, i have decided to use a mood stabiliser now, in the end i decided to because i need it to be stable enough to work…. things are so inconsistent for me that i lose energy with all these mood swings and can’t manage a job at the moment… im taking lamotrigine, it has the least side effects of anything i’ve tried… and i’ve reduced the SSRI which i think was another big factor in my BP… hopefully it will work well but its early days yet… it seems to have some effect anyway :) …  its good to know the lithium works well for you, i’ve heard its a wonder drug… im just a bit nervous of it because of the side effects…. take care hon m~ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >hi m~, >there are many common aspects between your experiences >and mine; maybe the circumstances of your life put you >in emotional states that lead to depression or manic-depression, >assuming that you have a propensity for that; sort of >like, if your genetic code says you are likely to get >gall bladder trouble, and you eat a lot of fatty foods, >you get it rather than not.  Who knows? there are no >blood tests. >But when it is severe as you describe, i would recommend >a drug, because it won’t go away with psychotherapy once >it has propelled itself into a change in the brain. >I take lithium; i hope what you take will work out; >cheers, >Squiggles

– dogs believe they are human ~ cats believe they are God

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yes, anorexia is about control for me to but also about doing at least 1 thing (loosing weight) i was sure i did well..somehow it made me proud to loose weight, more then everyone else. all the other things i did, i was never sure off, i was never proud off. This wassomething i completely did myself, and no-one, no-one could control me in this area, whatever everyone tried, i went on.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "ME" wrote > the way I see it myself is a bit different: > anorexia kills emotions i.m.o., so when this period was over, I"started > dealing with these emotions in another way: getting up and down with my > moods.. > Hey I was anorectic too… hmm… seems many of us have had that kind of > dissorder… > And yeah, to me the anorexia was all focused on CONTROL. In a world thta > completely lacked predictability I could atleast take control of my body. > And disappear. > Sorta. > Warm hugs, > TK

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >"ME" wrote >the way I see it myself is a bit different: >anorexia kills emotions i.m.o., so when this period was over, I"started >dealing with these emotions in another way: getting up and down with my >moods.. >Hey I was anorectic too… hmm… seems many of us have had that kind of >dissorder… >And yeah, to me the anorexia was all focused on CONTROL. In a world thta >completely lacked predictability I could atleast take control of my body. >And disappear. >Sorta. >Warm hugs, >TK

my experience is somewhat similiar too… except that i felt i was a failure, and i tried so hard to do everything perfect to make up for that… thats what the anorexia was for me too…. i talk so much about control with my therapist…. yes, disappearing… heh, thats a big factor in my depression, not so much in anorexia, but when im depressed i want to disappear completely… thats why i like that radiohead song so much… must send you a copy, its a beautiful album.. and the unpredictability… the world outside has always scared me…. {{{{{{gentle huggles}}}}}} m~ — dogs believe they are human ~ cats believe they are God

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> i know what >you mean about impulsiveness; my husband has often chastised me >about it; it may be a part of being bipolar but it’s also my >character; as i do not hurt anyone by it, i don’t consider it >a disease.

sorry to butt in here…. just the mention of impulsiveness… it used to drive my mother crazy… ‘why are you laughing so loud.. hey dont lose control, dont do things without thinking’… but impusiveness is part of me, part of what makes me the fun-loving person i am… what makes me go and create art and music…. learn new things out of crazy inspiration… yes, it can get too much, but a certain part of this BP is who i am, its my personality… and i dont want to ever lose that…. i only want enough medication that i can keep things in control, so i can keep a job… but im only just starting to learn that being BP isnt something that makes me ‘bad’…. quite often its something that people enjoy, this inspired, spontaneous, impulsive, fun loving person….. hugz m~ — dogs believe they are human ~ cats believe they are God

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> medication that i can keep things in control, so i can keep a job… but > im only just starting to learn that being BP isnt something that makes > me ‘bad’…. quite often its something that people enjoy, this inspired, > spontaneous, impulsive, fun loving person….. > hugz > m~ > — > dogs believe they are human ~ cats believe they are God

Appreciate the vote of confidence m~; maybe we should start the Undead Poets’ Society; seriously, though… *enough* medication is absolutely right on–just wish doctors would tinker with that and there would be less side effects. cheers, Squiggles

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > hi squiggles > thats really interesting that we have such common experiences… > yes i think certain circumstances of my life definately lead to > depression… but there has got to be something in my family background > i guess… i know i had cyclothymia all my life… and nobody in my > family admits to BP but on my fathers side there were a lot of violent > alcoholic men who might be hiding their BP under the alcohol… > i was reminded in discussion last night that i also had an addiction i > came out of just before i was diagnosed as BP…. i was drinking > constantly – not heavily, but enough to numb myself out – for a whole > year, and it took me several tries to come off the drink…. that was > the year before i was diagnosed…. it might well have been a factor…. > coming back into the ‘real world’ was quite strange…. > yes, i have decided to use a mood stabiliser now, in the end i decided > to because i need it to be stable enough to work…. things are so > inconsistent for me that i lose energy with all these mood swings and > can’t manage a job at the moment… im taking lamotrigine, it has the > least side effects of anything i’ve tried… and i’ve reduced the SSRI > which i think was another big factor in my BP… hopefully it will work > well but its early days yet… it seems to have some effect anyway :) … >  its good to know the lithium works well for you, i’ve heard its a > wonder drug… im just a bit nervous of it because of the side effects…. > take care hon > m~

I’m going to have to look lamotrigine; i’m glad you found something good. I am convinced that people drink because they are suffering from some kind of emotional illness.  Nobody wants to enter oblivion if they are not feeling some kind of pain. I think it is waaaayy underrated and underdiagnosed by doctors as a sign (ding ding ding ding) that there is something wrong in the person’s inner life.  It’s just such a bummer when the whole life is taken up by it, and no intervention has taken place to correct it. But you know, better late than never.   Squiggles p.s. why on earth would you take an SSRI for your case, sheesh. btw lithium does have its problems, but after 20+ yrs of taking it with a very good mental state, i can’t complain;

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hey princess ME i didnt know you had anorexia too, i had that when i was 20 still gives me problems with body image yeah there might be someting in the hypoglycaemia, it makes me high i dont eat lunch now if im working cos hypoglycaemia makes me buzzzzzzz i agree that anorexia blocks emotions too, you put all your focus into external stuff when that was over i had a manic high and then a breakdown..anxiety and OCD…. never knew what all that stuff was back then cos i wouldnt tak to anyone…. mega hugglez princess m~ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Hi Squiggles, >>Hard to say..I’ll just tell my story. >>At age 20 I went to live in a studentshouse, being anorectic at that >time. >>Anorexia quit soon dissappeard, and the moodswings begun (i do belive >that >>there isa connecting between those two for me). >>As far as I can remember it started with mild, fast moodswing, from >being >>donw for at most a few weeks, and being very energetic. >>I really don’t know for sure if this was BP-stuff, but I think so. >>It felt like being an emotionally very unstable person. >>Later on the depressions became deeper and a lot longer. I never felt >the >>mania until I was hospitalized once. Looking back, I can see I’ve had >>hypomanic episodes a lot more often. >>No anxiety attacks >>I often got depressions after having troubles, and I got hypomanic from >>working a lot, or being to busy. >Hi ME, >Again, here is an example of a dietary connection, i.e. >anorexia– that might make you hypoglycemic for sure.  Of >course, it could be the other way around.  I recall that in >my teens i would go from gaining a lot of weight to being >stick skinny in phases. >the way I see it myself is a bit different: >anorexia kills emotions i.m.o., so when this period was over, I"started >dealing with these emotions in another way: getting up and down with my >moods.. >Interesting- it seems that if you have a dip, then you necessarily >have an upswing – that is why they call it bipolar.  But, it >may be related to depression period and the depressed people >just never get to swing back up– very much like a pendulum >trying to get an equilibrium back. >Squiggles >- Sir Winston Churchill

– "While UNIX says “I’m sorry you can’t do that”, MacOS has exactly two error messages. It either goes “eep?” or the setup box is simply not there until 12 other unidentified items have been installed and three apparently unrelated dialog boxes have been completed. " – Alan Cox, on porting GNU/Linux to 68k macs

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hi m~, there are many common aspects between your experiences and mine; maybe the circumstances of your life put you in emotional states that lead to depression or manic-depression, assuming that you have a propensity for that; sort of like, if your genetic code says you are likely to get gall bladder trouble, and you eat a lot of fatty foods, you get it rather than not.  Who knows? there are no blood tests. But when it is severe as you describe, i would recommend a drug, because it won’t go away with psychotherapy once it has propelled itself into a change in the brain. I take lithium; i hope what you take will work out; cheers, Squiggles

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"ME" wrote > the way I see it myself is a bit different: > anorexia kills emotions i.m.o., so when this period was over, I"started > dealing with these emotions in another way: getting up and down with my > moods..

Hey I was anorectic too… hmm… seems many of us have had that kind of dissorder… And yeah, to me the anorexia was all focused on CONTROL. In a world thta completely lacked predictability I could atleast take control of my body. And disappear. Sorta. Warm hugs, TK

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi ME, >Again, here is an example of a dietary connection, i.e. >anorexia– that might make you hypoglycemic for sure.  Of >course, it could be the other way around.  I recall that in >my teens i would go from gaining a lot of weight to being >stick skinny in phases. >Interesting- it seems that if you have a dip, then you necessarily >have an upswing – that is why they call it bipolar.  But, it >may be related to depression period and the depressed people >just never get to swing back up– very much like a pendulum >trying to get an equilibrium back.

hi squiggles yeah i’ve read a bit about that lately, some theories that bp and unipolar are all part of the same spectrum… for me the depression probably started way back from day 1 of being a kid and being alienated but i remember one day in particular when my parents had split up and we went back to australia (had been living in switzerland) and all my friends didnt want to know me any more and i was so alone i became really angry and violent at home becaue there was nowhere else to take it but that scared me that i could be so horrible so at 10 years old i shut down everything that feels and i can date that as the day when i started having depressions i know my moods swung back and forth and attributed that to being a creative type then when i was 12 i got ocd had that for nearly 10 years and told nobody then i was anorexic at 20… and stopped when i could see every bit of fat on my body and i was 8 1/2 stone which is pretty skinny on me and it scared me but i went to canada and didnt eat much there eihter and used to spend a lot of time alone i got on this religious high which i think now was a manic high came back home and got really low and crashed into a breakdown thats when i had to tell my mum i had ocd suffered with that still mostly alone for a coupla years then it kinda cleared when i moved to the UK it was something to do with getting an understanding and taking control of my own life, feeling independent i started studying and used to get in these panicked rushes where i’d work too fast a lot like my dysphoric manias but they didnt go that far i had another breakdown at 26, that was anxiety and panic attacks, had been working in a school and got really depressed, i had these weird attacks where i felt like i was being sealed off from the rest of the world funny thing is once i learnt to control the anxiety and deal with it the panics stopped a few years later i was taking SSRI meds then too and im sure that the buzz that turned into BP came partly from taking zoloft cos i only noticed it being really buzzy since then but before i had mania, i used to have cycles between anxiety – which felt kinda high – and then a depression after…. thesedays i get mania if im rushing about trying to do too much or if i am among a group of people and i feel pressure to talk and talk… and sometimes i just get inspired and then it happens…. i get about a 1-2 week up and then a coupla weeks down…. sometimes longer downs… sometimes very long depressions… i get a lot of dysphoric mania, just occasionally i get euphoric, racing thoughts, pressured speech, loss of ability to concentrate… i verge on psychosis but have never been there…. the meds (lamictal and zoloft) help somewhat but sometimes i feel like im being numbed and that makes me feel down… i dont think it was sudden…. more gradual… like the stressouts turned into manias… and one day i noticed this was happening too much…. the depressions were more sudden…. but i’ve always had this thing that when i’ve been sad or crying and i feel better i swing up and overshoot the mark thats what its like when i recover from depression too…. yeah the going up the elevator fast is something i recognise… thats what that swing upwards feels like…. like i get inspired and then its outta control….. hope you can find some answers hon hugz m~ — "While UNIX says “I’m sorry you can’t do that”, MacOS has exactly two error messages. It either goes “eep?” or the setup box is simply not there until 12 other unidentified items have been installed and three apparently unrelated dialog boxes have been completed. " – Alan Cox, on porting GNU/Linux to 68k macs

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I’d be greatful to you all, if you could recount from memory how your manic depression started – – was it sudden, – did it start with mania (speediness), or with depression, – did you feel out of balance like going up the elevator fast, – did you sink into unimagineable depression, – was it all preceded by sudden anxiety attacks? I’m trying to find common ground, because I think i will never know if i am truly bp or if it was unregcognized and undiagnosed Valium withdrawal. Thanks (as many details as possible about how it FELT would be appreciated) Squiggles

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I’d be greatful to you all, if you could recount from memory how your manic depression started – – was it sudden, – did it start with mania (speediness), or with depression, – did you feel out of balance like going up the elevator fast, – did you sink into unimagineable depression, – was it all preceded by sudden anxiety attacks? I’m trying to find common ground, because I think i will never know if i am truly bp or if it was unregcognized and undiagnosed Valium withdrawal. Thanks (as many details as possible about how it FELT would be appreciated) Squiggles

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I WAS SEVEN YEARS OLD. MY MOTHER WAS GOING THROUGH SOME WEIRD SHIT1 and sew did eye! r . : r : . w | w | e . . . . . . . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . h : o : : e , . s 11D

I’d be greatful to you all, if you could recount from memory how your manic depression started – – was it sudden, – did it start with mania (speediness), or with depression, – did you feel out of balance like going up the elevator fast, – did you sink into unimagineable depression, – was it all preceded by sudden anxiety attacks? I’m trying to find common ground, because I think i will never know if i am truly bp or if it was unregcognized and undiagnosed Valium withdrawal. Thanks (as many details as possible about how it FELT would be appreciated) Squiggles

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I had a can’t-stand-still manic episode after I had lost 35 pounds on Atkins’ Diet and then ate birthday cake.  Say what you will about just an anxiety attack, but  going back on both sides of the family, it was there. Two aunts were hospitalized and given shock therapy; my grandmother drove everyone in her family ‘to the edge.’  They thought she was mean when all she was was sick.  I gave my mother Patty Duke’s books and she literally cried to find out that grandma was sick and not just mean. My main manic symptom that leads me to medication is racing thoughts.  I have been tried on many meds and have finally found the right ‘cocktail’ for me.  BTW:  I am 56 years old and as I look back, I have had it all my life. — Val in Boise

I’d be greatful to you all, if you could recount from memory how your manic depression started – – was it sudden, – did it start with mania (speediness), or with depression, – did you feel out of balance like going up the elevator fast, – did you sink into unimagineable depression, – was it all preceded by sudden anxiety attacks? I’m trying to find common ground, because I think i will never know if i am truly bp or if it was unregcognized and undiagnosed Valium withdrawal. Thanks (as many details as possible about how it FELT would be appreciated) Squiggles

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Hi Squiggles, Hard to say..I’ll just tell my story. At age 20 I went to live in a studentshouse, being anorectic at that time. Anorexia quit soon dissappeard, and the moodswings begun (i do belive that there isa connecting between those two for me). As far as I can remember it started with mild, fast moodswing, from being donw for at most a few weeks, and being very energetic. I really don’t know for sure if this was BP-stuff, but I think so. It felt like being an emotionally very unstable person. Later on the depressions became deeper and a lot longer. I never felt the mania until I was hospitalized once. Looking back, I can see I’ve had hypomanic episodes a lot more often. No anxiety attacks I often got depressions after having troubles, and I got hypomanic from working a lot, or being to busy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’d be greatful to you all, if you could recount from > memory how your manic depression started – > – was it sudden, > – did it start with mania (speediness), or with depression, > – did you feel out of balance like going up the elevator fast, > – did you sink into unimagineable depression, > – was it all preceded by sudden anxiety attacks? > I’m trying to find common ground, because I think i will > never know if i am truly bp or if it was unregcognized and > undiagnosed Valium withdrawal. > Thanks > (as many details as possible about how it FELT would be appreciated) > Squiggles

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> I had a can’t-stand-still manic episode after I had lost 35 pounds on > Atkins’ Diet and then ate birthday cake.  Say what you will about just an > anxiety attack, but  going back on both sides of the family, it was there. > Two aunts were hospitalized and given shock therapy; my grandmother drove > everyone in her family ‘to the edge.’  They thought she was mean when all > she was was sick.  I gave my mother Patty Duke’s books and she literally > cried to find out that grandma was sick and not just mean. > My main manic symptom that leads me to medication is racing thoughts.  I > have been tried on many meds and have finally found the right ‘cocktail’ for > me.  BTW:  I am 56 years old and as I look back, I have had it all my life. > —

Hi Val, Thanks for the reply… i keep asking the same questions — that’s because i keep getting the same answers – none; well, in your case it does sound like hypoglycemia may have played a part there, but it could be concurrent. The hereditary aspect though, puts a real stamp on it. Thanks Squiggles

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi Squiggles, > Hard to say..I’ll just tell my story. > At age 20 I went to live in a studentshouse, being anorectic at that time. > Anorexia quit soon dissappeard, and the moodswings begun (i do belive that > there isa connecting between those two for me). > As far as I can remember it started with mild, fast moodswing, from being > donw for at most a few weeks, and being very energetic. > I really don’t know for sure if this was BP-stuff, but I think so. > It felt like being an emotionally very unstable person. > Later on the depressions became deeper and a lot longer. I never felt the > mania until I was hospitalized once. Looking back, I can see I’ve had > hypomanic episodes a lot more often. > No anxiety attacks > I often got depressions after having troubles, and I got hypomanic from > working a lot, or being to busy.

Hi ME, Again, here is an example of a dietary connection, i.e. anorexia– that might make you hypoglycemic for sure.  Of course, it could be the other way around.  I recall that in my teens i would go from gaining a lot of weight to being stick skinny in phases. Interesting- it seems that if you have a dip, then you necessarily have an upswing – that is why they call it bipolar.  But, it may be related to depression period and the depressed people just never get to swing back up– very much like a pendulum trying to get an equilibrium back. Squiggles                         – Sir Winston Churchill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Squiggles, > Hard to say..I’ll just tell my story. > At age 20 I went to live in a studentshouse, being anorectic at that time. > Anorexia quit soon dissappeard, and the moodswings begun (i do belive that > there isa connecting between those two for me). > As far as I can remember it started with mild, fast moodswing, from being > donw for at most a few weeks, and being very energetic. > I really don’t know for sure if this was BP-stuff, but I think so. > It felt like being an emotionally very unstable person. > Later on the depressions became deeper and a lot longer. I never felt the > mania until I was hospitalized once. Looking back, I can see I’ve had > hypomanic episodes a lot more often. > No anxiety attacks > I often got depressions after having troubles, and I got hypomanic from > working a lot, or being to busy. > Hi ME, > Again, here is an example of a dietary connection, i.e. > anorexia– that might make you hypoglycemic for sure.  Of > course, it could be the other way around.  I recall that in > my teens i would go from gaining a lot of weight to being > stick skinny in phases.

the way I see it myself is a bit different: anorexia kills emotions i.m.o., so when this period was over, I"started dealing with these emotions in another way: getting up and down with my moods.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Interesting- it seems that if you have a dip, then you necessarily > have an upswing – that is why they call it bipolar.  But, it > may be related to depression period and the depressed people > just never get to swing back up– very much like a pendulum > trying to get an equilibrium back. > Squiggles > – Sir Winston Churchill

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SqU.  It is in my genes.  When I was in high school, I could never stay interested in a specific boy for longer than a month or so.  I finally met Pharis and he changes so much that he has hung around 29 years. I have a lot of skill as a typist and receptionist.  I never applied for a job I wanted that I didn’t get.  The problem is this.  When I am manic, the jobs look so wonderful and I really want to do that.  So I get the job and after awhile, I think ‘what was I thinking.’  But I am stuck.  I hang in, hating it, until I get a real low and I will quit over the smallest intrusion. I never stayed at a job longer than three years (I hated them after 18 months). So what I am saying is that something like my birthday cake thing will trigger enough to look back and tell the doctor so he makes the diagnosis. No sweat. — Val in Boise

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > SqU.  It is in my genes.  When I was in high school, I could never stay > interested in a specific boy for longer than a month or so.  I finally met > Pharis and he changes so much that he has hung around 29 years. > I have a lot of skill as a typist and receptionist.  I never applied for a > job I wanted that I didn’t get.  The problem is this.  When I am manic, the > jobs look so wonderful and I really want to do that.  So I get the job and > after awhile, I think ‘what was I thinking.’  But I am stuck.  I hang in, > hating it, until I get a real low and I will quit over the smallest > intrusion. > I never stayed at a job longer than three years (I hated them after 18 > months). > So what I am saying is that something like my birthday cake thing will > trigger enough to look back and tell the doctor so he makes the diagnosis. > No sweat. > — > Val in Boise

Val, the way you describe your present reactions to situations sounds like you are NOT taking drugs – is that so?  Or have you reduced the dosage? "Pharis" hmmm…. sounds like a Greek name maybe; i know what you mean about impulsiveness; my husband has often chastised me about it; it may be a part of being bipolar but it’s also my character; as i do not hurt anyone by it, i don’t consider it a disease. Squiggles — "Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most times he will pick himself up and carry on."                         – Sir Winston Churchill

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